Egalitarian
claim 8.1: WOMEN WERE TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE: Women in
Ephesus were teaching false doctrine, and this is the
reason Paul prohibits women from teaching in 1 Timothy
2:11–15. But that was a specific command for that
particular situation, and therefore it is not universally
binding on us today. (280)
Answer 8.1a: The only false teachers named at Ephesus
are men, not women. (281)
Answer 8.1b: No clear proof of women teaching false doctrine
at Ephesus has been found either inside the Bible or outside
the Bible. (282)
Answer 8.1c: Richard and Catherine Kroeger’s claim
of a Gnostic heresy that Eve was created before Adam has
no persuasive historical basis. (284)
Answer 8.1d: If the fact that some people were teaching
false doctrine disqualified everyone of the same gender,
then all men would have been disqualified from teaching.
(287)
Answer 8.1e: Paul gives the reason for his command, and
it is the creation order (1 Timothy 2:13–14), not
any false teaching by women. It is precarious to substitute
a reason Paul does not give for what he does give. (287)
Answer 8.1f: The argument that no men were ever present
with the women fails to consider the actual wording of
this text. (287)
Egalitarian
claim 8.2: WOMEN NOT EDUCATED: The reference to Eve’s
deception in 1 Timothy 2:13 shows that Eve was less educated
than Adam, just as the women in Ephesus were less educated
than the men. But women today have as much education as
men; therefore, 1 Timothy 2:11–15 does not apply
to us today. (288)
Answer 8.2a: Many men and many women had basic literacy
skills in the first century, and very few men or women
had education beyond this. (289)
Answer 8.2b: The Bible never requires advanced degrees
for people who teach God’s word or have governing
authority in the church. (291)
Answer 8.2c: It simply is not true that no women in the
first-century churches were well enough educated to be
teachers or rulers in the church, and therefore lack of
education cannot be the reason for Paul’s statement.
(292)
Answer 8.2d: Lack of education is not the reason Paul
gives for restricting teaching and governing roles to
men. We should not deny the reason Paul gives and substitute
a reason he does not give. (293)
Answer 8.2e: If lack of education were the reason, it
would be unfair and inconsistent for Paul not to prohibit
teaching by uneducated men. (293)
Answer 8.2f: The phrase, “Adam was formed first,
then Eve,” cannot be made to mean that Eve had less
education than Adam without doing violence to the text.
(293)
Egalitarian
claim 8.3: WOMEN NOT DECEIVED TODAY: Women today are not
as easily deceived as in the first century; therefore,
1 Timothy 2:12–14 does not apply to us today. (295)
Answer 8.3a: Paul makes no reference to his current culture,
but to a characteristic of Eve that he sees as relevant
for all women in all cultures. (296)
Egalitarian
claim 8.4: RESTRICTED TO HUSBANDS AND WIVES: 1 Timothy
2:11–15 applies only to husbands and wives, meaning
essentially, “I do not permit a woman to teach or
have authority over her husband.” (296)
Answer 8.4a: It is true that the Greek words used here
can mean either “man” or “husband”
and either “woman” or “wife” according
to the context. But all the other New Testament passages
where the words mean “husband” or “wife”
are different from this passage, because in those passages,
the meanings “husband” and “wife”
are made very clear from decisive clues in the context.
(297)
Answer 8.4b: No decisive clues from the context of 1 Timothy
2 would cause the original Greek readers to think that
husbands and wives were meant here, and several clues
would make them think of men and women in general. (298)
Answer 8.4c: It is unlikely that Paul would insert instructions
about family life in the middle of a context devoted to
opposing false teaching and to choosing officers for the
whole church (1 Tim. 1–3). (299)
Egalitarian
claim 8.5: TEMPORARY COMMAND: Paul’s statement in
1 Timothy 2:12, “I do not permit...” uses
a present tense verb that shows it to be a temporary command.
It could be translated, “I am not now permitting
a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man.”
(299)
Answer 8.5a: This argument misunderstands how Paul uses
the present tense in commands. (300)
Answer 8.5b: This argument would soon lead people to avoid
many of the commands of the New Testament. Here as elsewhere,
egalitarians use a process of interpreting Scripture that
will quickly nullify the authority of Scripture in the
lives of Christians today. (301)
Egalitarian
claim 8.6: CREATION APPEALS NOT DECISIVE: Paul’s
appeal to creation is not decisive, since appeals to creation
can be culturally relative. (302)
Answer 8.6a: Webb fails to realize what the apostle Paul
realized, that the Bible nowhere limits us to these activities
reported in the pre-Fall narrative. (302)
Answer 8.6b: Webb fails to realize that everything before
the Fall is morally good. (303)
Egalitarian
claim 8.7: WHY NO PRIMOGENITURE TODAY? People who say
1 Timothy 2:13 is the basis for a transcultural principle
should practice primogeniture today. But they don’t,
so one cannot base any transcultural principle on 1 Timothy
2:13. (303)
Answer 8.7a: The Bible does not base any other commands
on Adam’s creation before Eve, so we have no right
to make up additional commands on our own. (303)
Egalitarian
claim 8.8: “NOT DOMINEER”: “Not exercise
authority” in 1 Timothy 2:12 means “not misuse
authority” or “not domineer.” (304)
Egalitarian claim 8.9: “NOT MURDER OR COMMIT VIOLENCE”:
“Not exercise authority” in 1 Timothy 2:12
means “not murder” or “not commit violence.”
(304)
Egalitarian claim 8.10: “NOT PROCLAIM ONESELF AUTHOR
OF A MAN”: “Not exercise authority”
in 1 Timothy 2:12 means “not proclaim oneself author
of a man,” in accordance with an ancient Gnostic
heresy that Eve was created first. (304)
Answer 8.8a (these answers also apply to claims 8.9 and
8.10): The most complete study of this word shows that
its meaning is primarily neutral, “to exercise authority
over.” (307)
Answer 8.8b: The meaning “to murder” is not
supported by the ancient evidence. (309)
Answer 8.8c: The meaning “to instigate violence”
is not supported by the ancient evidence. (310)
Answer 8.8d: Richard and Catherine Kroeger’s claim
that authenteo means “to proclaim oneself author
of a man” (related to a Gnostic heresy that Eve
was created first) is not supported by the ancient evidence.
(311)
Answer 8.8e: The grammatical structure of the sentence
rules out any negative meaning (such as, “to misuse
authority, to domineer, or to murder”) and shows
that the verb must have a positive meaning (such as “to
exercise authority”). (314)
Answer 8.8f: The grammar of 1 Timothy 2:12 shows that
two activities are in view, teaching and having authority,
not just one activity of “authoritative teaching.”
(316)
Answer 8.8g: An extensive study of cognate words now confirms
that the meaning of authenteo is primarily positive or
neutral. (317)
Egalitarian
claim 8.11: GAIN MASTERY: 1 Timothy 2:12 means, “I
do not permit a woman to teach in order to gain mastery
over a man.” (318)
Answer 8.11a: Belleville has misrepresented her supporting
verses and misunderstood Greek grammar. (318)
Egalitarian
claim 8.12: UNCOMMON WORD: In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul does
not use the common word for authority (exousia), but uses
a relatively uncommon word authenteo. Since the word is
rare, its meaning cannot be known with any certainty,
and we should not put much weight on this verse. (319)
Answer 8.12a: Paul’s use of a less common word does
not mean that the word’s meaning is uncertain or
unknown. (320)
Egalitarian
claim 8.13: JUST DON’T OFFEND THE CULTURE: Paul’s
main point in these restrictions on women teaching and
governing was not to give offense to the culture of that
time. Today, such activities by women would not give offense
to our culture, so the restrictions do not apply. We have
to distinguish between the main concern of a writer and
the outward form that his command takes. (322)
Answer 8.13a: The activities of teaching and governing
the church are not merely a changeable outward form of
some deeper principle, but they are the principles themselves
because they represent fundamental activities essential
to the life of the church. (323)
Answer 8.13b: Not offending the culture is not the reason
Paul gives for his commands. (323)
Answer 8.13c: This argument assumes that Paul taught something
less than God’s ideal in order to advance the gospel.
(323)
Answer 8.13d: Some women had prominent roles in pagan
religions in Ephesus. (324)
Egalitarian
claim 8.14: PAUL WAS WRONG: Paul made a mistake in 1 Timothy
2 and reverted to his rabbinic background, failing to
be consistent with his understanding of redemption in
Christ. (325)
Answer 8.14a: This position is inconsistent with belief
in the entire Bible as the Word of God, and is not a legitimate
evangelical position. (325)
Egalitarian
claim 8.15: THE NEW TESTAMENT MISINTERPRETS THE OLD TESTAMENT:
In some passages, such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, we
may find that our understanding of the Old Testament is
superior to that of a New Testament author. (326)
Answer 8.15a: This procedure denies the absolute authority
of Scripture for us today and sets us up as an authority
greater than Scripture. (326)
Answer 8.15b: The New Testament’s interpretations
of the Old Testament are God’s interpretations of
the Old Testament. (327) |